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FayeAnn I know... but lol
_GregS hi all
kdcan I don't blame him, Well let me go ahead then and those who come late will just have to catch up
wayner lol
_EllenA hi there everyone!!
RonS hi greg
FayeAnn Hi Greg
wayner Hi Greg
kdcan I have thought a lot after reading the survey results and many many people stated that they did not know if their members were being followed up or not.
_EllenA Hi Greg
kdcan That coupled with the fact that I have been concerned about the bamboobiz
kdcan For a month or two because our upgrade rates have fallen, I am thinking of turning the follow ups back over to the VIPs to do
kdcan I have found an autoresponder that I can use to also set up for those of you who are always here and working so hard
kdcan But the others I am thinking of recommending that they use the free mailer program and Wayne has written some fool proof instructions for it to use it for follow ups
_GregS i think using an autoresponder is worthwhile but it's almost important for VIPs to do personal follow ups with their members as well
kdcan I feel maybe the loss of the personal touch is not good
FayeAnn Wayne is awesome... He is so smart!!!
_GregS not almost important, also important :)
wayner blush
kdcan And I have worried that maybe it is not getting through to domains sometimes that possibly you could get through to, mailing them yourself
wayner lol
_EllenA Thats our Wayne!
kdcan Yes WAYNE IS!!!
wayner thanks all
kdcan And he has been my right hand person for a while now and I hope he knows how much I appreciate it
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kdcan I would like your feed back RonS
wayner Hi RonB
_GregS hi ronb
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RonB hi everyone
kdcan Ron B we are talking about my concerns about the survey results and Allen
wayner I sure do Karen
FayeAnn Hi RonB and AllenR
_AllenR Hi FayeAnn
kdcan I got a lot of people saying that they did not know if their members were being followed up or not
wayner Hi Allen
_EllenA Hi Allen!
_AllenR Hi all
kdcan And I am considering putting the free member follow ups back into the hands of the VIPs
_AllenR Hi Ellen
_EllenA i made it this time!!,lol
RonS i signed myself up on bamboobiz and I received two emails about two minutes apart and then nothing
wayner hmm
kdcan Wayne has written excellent instructions on using the World Cast the free mailer to do this and I have also found a cheaper Autoresponder, that I can set up seperate accounts on
kdcan That has been my concern Ron
RonS for about a week now
kdcan I do not think our upgrades should have fallen this much
kdcan I really think that we need to take a more personal approach
wayner absolutely
kdcan The autoresponder I have found I will set up seperate accounts for those of you that attend the meetings regularly
_EllenA definitely
wayner awesome!
kdcan If you would like but you will put your own letters in there personalized or you can use the world cast mailer and do it
_GregS Hi Allen
kdcan I really think if we get back to the personal touch it will help us get our upgrade rates back up/
wayner I absolutely agree
kdcan What I am thinking about is putting the follow up letters that we have been using on a seperate website
kdcan So that those are available for our team only
_GregS I think it's a good idea to set up a page like this:
_GregS http://members.aol.com/hhill6569/ss2.html
kdcan Then I will make sure the URL's stay updated and I will post when I find one that has changed, So it will be really easy to keep your letters updated
_GregS so our free members can get to know us
kdcan I tried one time to keep like an upline thing going but it took me sooooooo long to do
kdcan it was unreal trying to keep it updated.
wayner I remember it
kdcan What do you guys think about us getting away from the bamboobiz?
kdcan I really am unsettled about it because I thought it was such a GREAT idea when I started doing it
FayeAnn I was just starting to learn how to use it..
_EllenA sounds like a good idea to me
RonB Some worry here
kdcan But I am also concerned that many people have kind of forgotten about the personal touch because they know it is there
kdcan What are your concerns RonB?
RonB I rely on Karen to be the top person to let my FEW members know someone else is looking after them.
_EllenA mom will still follow up with your members
_EllenA its just that you will now too, it looks more poersonal
kdcan Well Ron what I was thinking of was to give you your own personal responder inside of mine
kdcan You would do the letters personal from you
kdcan But they would come from my responder
kdcan I would still of course welcome all of your members
RonB Sure but I need a personal upline leader to reinforse what I say to my members,
kdcan I see what you are saying
RonB I do rely on you karen.
wayner It is better for our Free Members to see the letters coming from us personally
kdcan Problem is right now all the letters come from me
kdcan Exactly
kdcan You might have many more upgrades if the letters looked like they were coming from you personally
kdcan I could do a personal testimony that you can use in with your letters
kdcan Maybe several of them
wayner I believe the responder can be set up with Karen's email address just like it is now as an upline leader contact
kdcan Perhaps that would help
kdcan Of course it could
kdcan No problem
wayner I would have to check into it
kdcan Even people using the worldcast could do that
wayner ok
kdcan I know it is personalizable just like the bamboobiz
kdcan It has as many fields as we want to use
FayeAnn I absolutely LOVE WORLDCAST.. What an invention
kdcan Plus anyone using the World cast could also do that put my name and Email address as a contact as well
kdcan Just like with you RonB you should have 8 or 9 VIPS right now and you have 3
RonB Good as long as I don't lose Karen's contact.
RonS i have not been able to use worldcast yet
kdcan You have enough members to have many more VIPS and you too Ron S
kdcan No absolutely not and it would give me more time to answer your members personally when you have them with questions too
wayner Worldcast is awesome
kdcan Yes the World cast is AWESOME.
kdcan I would not be able to set up my autoresponder for everyone it would be too much of a job
kdcan But I would of course have one for each of you if you wanted to use it
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wayner I am willing to help anyone who needs help
kdcan And of course I am too.
FayeAnn I guess I'm willing to share Wayne.. lol
kdcan Like I said I have mixed feelings about this
wayner lol
RonS i just need help writing letters..
RonS lol
kdcan The templates will be there for you, I am going to get Wayne to do a lot of his personal approach ones
kdcan As well as all the ones I use now will also be available
kdcan And we will faze out the bamboobiz slowly
kdcan We won't just do it all at once.
wayner I have about 4 done up so far Karen
kdcan I have seen a couple of them and they are excellent
kdcan Allen also has a golden tongue
wayner Thanks
kdcan Perhaps he could do us a few
wayner he sure does
kdcan And Ron the one you did for welcome the other day was awesome!!
kdcan I was really impressed with it
_Allen I'm keeping my tongue still for now, gold or not, ha
RonS thanks
wayner lol
kdcan You are welcome Ron
_EllenA .
kdcan What do you think Allen?]
_EllenA 0.
FayeAnn Hmmm?? Men who know how to sweet talk.. I like that
wayner hehe
kdcan heheheee we have a bunch of those on our team
kdcan That is for sure!!!
_Allen I think a combination of the personal touch and the upline touch is best
kdcan And I love them
kdcan Do you think we could still accomplish this without the bamboobiz?
kdcan If I do some letters that you guys can use from me with your mailings?
_Allen Any other autoresponder with similar features would work. Be great if it's less money or even, FREE
kdcan You see I am not complaining about the cost either, but it is very expensive to use if it is not working for us
RonB Free I like
_Allen like FreeAutobot
kdcan FREE it would be from me
_Allen It's just not as customizable as bamboobiz
kdcan I plan to get one that will let me set up more than one autoresponder and just for you guys I will let you use it
kdcan No the FREE autobot is not as customizable, NONE OF THE FREE ones are
_Allen That is extremely cool
kdcan I spent hours Saturday and Sunday researching them
kdcan I found one that has no hidden charges like the bamboobiz, that I can have unlimited autoresponders with you can import your leads
kdcan And have unlimited letters to go out
_Allen I'm sure you've checked Jon's system
kdcan Like I said I could not do it for all 300 VIPS but for the closest bunch of you I would
kdcan Yes but you have to download it to your system and you can not access it from the web
kdcan That is it's only drawback
_Allen and extremely generous
_Allen so it is a personal system only
kdcan I don't know if you guys know but the Bamboobiz has been setting me back anywhere from $135 to $179 a month
_Allen not web based
kdcan The one I found is web based
kdcan So you could access it yourself
FayeAnn OH MY GOSH!!!
kdcan Yes OH MY GOSH!!!
wayner BRB
kdcan Like I said I have not minded but when the upgrades suddenly go down and letters do not seem to be going out then it is NOT COOL
FayeAnn completely understand
kdcan The one I have found is web based and I would give you the password and all just like now, you would just have your own set of letters and your own signature
kdcan I want what is best for all of us to get the upgrades and still keep the team spirit together
FayeAnn Sounds good
kdcan And like I said for those I can not put on my autoresponder then they have an option of getting one like mine or using the world cast
_Allen brb
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kdcan The one I found is only $12.95 per month
FayeAnn What a difference
kdcan I could get 3 of them for the team for less than I have been spending
kdcan You are not kidding
kdcan Bamboobiz was charging me by the email
kdcan Well then I think we will shoot for that direction, I may actually buy more than one that way all the main leaders will be able to use it
RonS sunds ok by me karen
kdcan And some how we still need to do the follow ups for our newest VIPS
RonS sounds
kdcan Could be we can incorporate that until they are stable enough to do their own
FayeAnn Wayne came up with a good idea... hes not back yet but I don't think he'd mind
kdcan You guys think between now and next week the best way we can do it to make it smooth
kdcan Go ahead FayeAnn
FayeAnn He thought that we could send followups to all of our downline members every 2 weeks
kdcan That sounds like a good idea
FayeAnn He started on mine yesterday
FayeAnn And one lead emailed him back and wanted more info
FayeAnn She didn't email me back because she lost my email address
kdcan It would take me some time to get them all each two weeks, I wish there was an easier way to harvest them
FayeAnn within the 2 weeks I emailed her
kdcan That shows it is a good idea
kdcan I may ask everyone to send me a list of their members each two weeks
FayeAnn So, I'm getting my VIPs set up to do the same
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kdcan Then I could just send them an email
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FayeAnn They all like the idea too
_Allen re-hi all
kdcan Hi Allen, I was just thinking and talking to FayeAnn about the best way to keep up with all the members as welll
_Allen Sorry, I'm doing laundry and income tax tonight too
wayner I'm back
kdcan Maybe I could get all the VIPS to send me a list of their members each two weeks so I could personally contact them in addition to their own follow ups
kdcan Then it also lets the VIPS know to stay in touch with me
FayeAnn That is where the World Cast has been a life saver for me
kdcan That might take care of a lot of problems
_Allen It could sew up some loose ends no doubt
kdcan The thing that bothered me and I am going to publish the survey results this weekend to all of you was the responses we got
FayeAnn I think it would double maybe even quadruple upgrades
kdcan We got a lot saying that they did not hear from their sponsors enough and that they did not know if anyone was following up with their members
kdcan I think it could FayeAnn
wayner I hope so too
kdcan It will take a little to get it all up and running but I think it just could do that
kdcan And right now would be the best time to start it before all the co-op leads come in
kdcan Which should be about any day now that they start coming in
wayner yes exactly
kdcan Oh that is the other thing I need to tell you guys
kdcan About the co-op
FayeAnn That is where Wayne has also been awesome
kdcan We ran into 2 people from the co-op who cried spam last week
FayeAnn Hes been preparing and working on this to get ready for this.
kdcan Corporate sent out letters that were downright frightening the way that they wrote them
FayeAnn And making sure he passes down his ideas to me
kdcan Let me put to you what Rita wrote me yesterday
FayeAnn Did I mention Wayne is awesome?
wayner hehehe
wayner more blushing
kdcan Yes he is
wayner you are awesome too
kdcan Okay Rita wrote this to one of our VIPS that got the complaint
kdcan This is REALLY IMPORTANT
kdcan OkayMail has proved that these leads are not spam.
kdcan There was another spam crier who complained to
kdcan DHSC. Mark from OkayMail pulled up their IP #,
kdcan when they signed up, and what they signed up for.
kdcan The proof was not refuted... You are always going to
kdcan get spam complaints, a big part of it is that people
kdcan forget what they signed up for. If there's a dispute
kdcan DHSC will ask you for proof of the sign up, you will
kdcan come to me and I will get it for you from Okaymail.
kdcan If you complain to the DHS Club there likely won't
kdcan be any more co-ops and no one will be very happy
kdcan about that..
kdcan In fact this is the email I had from HQ today.
kdcan "Doing a co-op won't be illegal, but will be more discouraged.
kdcan Our biggest problem is bulk email and VIPs selling bad leads
kdcan to make profit. I'm sure the co-op your doing is perfectly legitimate
kdcan and if you're not making any profit from it, then you should be good
kdcan to go."
kdcan I hope this eases your mind.
kdcan Warm Regards,
kdcan Rita.
kdcan So if you get any complaints send them to Rita
kdcan And she will get the okay mails proof and send that to corporate
kdcan They capture the name and ISP number and the source that the person signed up for it at
wayner selling leads?
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kdcan So we are well covered
wayner Hi Duane
kdcan Apparently there have been some VIPS who have done that yes
_Allen Hi Duane
DuaneC Hi everyone. I made it.
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kdcan Just so you guys know what to do incase you get a complaint
wayner unbelievable!
kdcan I am going to email each person in the co-op but you will know now
FayeAnn Hi Duane
wayner yes, Thanks karen
kdcan You are most welcome
DuaneC Hello Faye
kdcan I feel better knowing that Rita has us covered
FayeAnn I always add a Disclaimer in my emails
kdcan That is a must FayeAnn
kdcan And an excellent idea any way
wayner yes
kdcan I always do that as well
kdcan And I usually tell them that they most likely signed up for free software and here is the URL for them to get it
kdcan I think we need to make sure everyone welcomes their new members with that freesoftware URL
kdcan Okay well this next week I want you guys to think of what I can do to make the transition from the bamboobiz easier
kdcan And I will start the website with the letters, Allen, Ron and Ron and Wayne please send me any letters you would like me to put on it
kdcan I will group them into welcome letters and follow up letters
wayner will do
_Allen ok
kdcan Also I have all the ones that Harold hill used to use thanks to GREG:)
RonB ok
kdcan And I will eventually add them on as well
RonS i only have the one karen
kdcan As I get time to check the URLs. well RonS if you don't mind I would love to use it
_Allen brb
wayner k
kdcan It is an awesome letter
kdcan Okay
kdcan I will also go ahead and buy the autoresponder and wayne and I will check it out and do directions for it
RonS sure..i forgot to add the free software url tho
kdcan So that it will be easy to help you guys to set up on it
kdcan We can put that in:)
kdcan Is there anything else you guys want to discuss?
kdcan It is Valentines day and as FayeAnn said her husband would love to see her tonight
kdcan And I know mine would too
wayner I do
kdcan Go ahead
wayner had an instance this week where a new VIP
wayner did not log in and input her free member info
wayner through dhs
wayner she used her website instead and now has to get
kdcan Okay?
kdcan The letter
wayner a confimation from the free member
kdcan Yes
kdcan Okay she can wait 5 days and direct enter them
wayner what a pain
wayner Can she?
kdcan Yes
kdcan 5 days and direct enter it
wayner Great!
kdcan Yes that is something else I am going to make more clear in the VIP follow ups
wayner I did not know that
kdcan I think we need to revamp them some too
RonS didnot know that
kdcan Anyone want to help me with that?
kdcan Don't everyone holler at once
_EllenA ill help
wayner are you talking about the follow up letters in the responder
kdcan Thanks Ellen
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kdcan Yes the ones in the responder
kdcan Hi Doug
Doug_F Hi
wayner I can help with that too
DuaneC Hello Doug.
kdcan Cool
wayner Hi Doug
Doug_F Fianlly I'm in
Doug_F sheeesh
kdcan We missed you
_EllenA hi doug!!
kdcan I have not had time to talk to Doug about the bamboobiz yet
Doug_F Happy Valentine's Day!
FayeAnn Hi Doug
kdcan Happy Valentines day to you too!!
kdcan We were just about to adjourn Doug, I need to get with you about the bamboobiz though
kdcan We are having problems with it not sending out emails
Doug_F What's up with Bamboosie?
Doug_F figures
kdcan Just briefly it is not sending out emails and I and Wayne have come up with an alternative idea
Doug_F I'll stay in with you then Karen
Doug_F OK
kdcan Okey dokey
RonB Kid needs me, Wife needs me, V day , must go. TAKE Care Ron.
kdcan Anyone have anything else?
RonB bye
kdcan Take Care Ron B
Doug_F and Wayne
FayeAnn My husband is giving me that look... I think I need to go now..
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DuaneC Bye Ron
FayeAnn lol
Doug_F BYe Ron
kdcan Okay Faye have a great one
wayner Bye Ron
DuaneC Bye Faye
kdcan Enjoy that hubby
Doug_F Bye Faye
wayner Nite faye Ann
FayeAnn Byebye everyone talk to you next week.. Have a nice night
kdcan Okay hon
FayeAnn Hes been gone out of town for 2 mights.. so I think I will.
wayner you too
kdcan Well if no one else has other things to bring up then I am going to tell Doug about the bamboobiz
DuaneC Happy Valentines Day to ALL. Until Next Week, Same time, Same Channel
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DuaneC And Good News.
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wayner nite Duane
kdcan Okay Doug, here is the deal darlin
_EllenA nite wayne
kdcan We have not been getting hardly any undeliverables
wayner huh?
wayner eh?
Doug_F k
kdcan and Ron tried to send his self 2 emails from the bamboo and did not get them
Doug_F that could be good news
Doug_F oh oh
kdcan And as you know it is too expensive for us to keep if it is not working and it could be that is why our upgrades has been so low
_Allen I'm back
_Allen Hi Doug
Doug_F Hi Allen
wayner you are
kdcan So I have found another autoresponder that has no hidden costs
kdcan like the bamboobiz
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kdcan And I can have unlimited responders, So I am kicking the idea to get one or two or maybe 3 of them for us to use
kdcan But we would only set up the autoresponder for our best producers
kdcan It is only $12.95 per month
kdcan And has all the attributes of the bamboobiz
kdcan But they would have their own set of letters
Doug_F WOW
kdcan Personalized
Doug_F No GuFF?
kdcan From them
kdcan Not from me
kdcan Exactly!!!
_Allen That's a vast improvement over $135-179
Doug_F Kewl
kdcan No hidden charges for extra emails
kdcan You got that right, I could get 3 of them and save a fortune
Doug_F Hot diggity dawg
kdcan Then the main leaders could use them for their top people and the other VIPS could use the World Cast mailer which is FREE
Doug_F let's make it an even dozen
Doug_F LOL
kdcan And Wayne has written instructions to use it for follow ups as well
wayner lol
wayner bakers dozen
wayner lol
kdcan Then I am going to set up a website with just follow up letters and welcome letters
Doug_F banker's dozne (40
kdcan And I will keep the URL's updated at that website
Doug_F (4)
kdcan Then everyone can use which ones they want and make them personal from them
wayner what a plan!
Doug_F kewl
Doug_F yuppers
kdcan And I may get all the VIPS to mail me their members once every 2 weeks or so and I will email all the members to say hello
Doug_F mongo kewl
kdcan So you like that idea?
Doug_F refuse to pay Bamboozie this month
kdcan I think it could get our upgrade rates back and and save me some money
kdcan I ought to
Doug_F indeed!
Doug_F me too
kdcan I need to faze it out over the next 4 weeks or so
Doug_F save me $$$ too
kdcan I am glad you like it
kdcan Yes it would you too
kdcan And I thought you would like it, You will be surprised about the survey results
Doug_F we could even phaze it out
kdcan I got so many people saying that they did not know if anyone was following up with their members
kdcan Yes we could phaze it out
Doug_F I saw enough of teh surveys to get the gist
_Allen Karen, something has to be terribly wrong
kdcan This way each VIP will have to at least know who and how their members are being followed up with
Doug_F none of them pay any attention
_Allen With Bamboobiz
kdcan I know Allen,
kdcan I think so too
Doug_F yup
kdcan The sooner we get out of it the better we will be
Doug_F Allen, perhaps they are out of bandwidth
_Allen I don't see how anyone could complain of not receiving enough emails on the schedule you have set up there
kdcan Wayne already has the instructions ready for the World cast
kdcan Exactly Allen
kdcan And I can set up the follow up letter website this weekend.
kdcan And doug if you want to go ahead and get one of these new responders as well then between you and me and Wayne we could write instructions for it,
kdcan It is also web-based
kdcan Or you can use mine Doug I don't mine
Doug_F I could help you Karen
kdcan I just think I will probably end up getting more than one
Doug_F sweetness
_Allen Doug, if they are out of Bandwidth they should either upgrade or inform subscribers and stop taking their money
kdcan Probably 2 or 3 for the main VIPS
Doug_F should but who knows
kdcan Yes Allen you are right, because they have charged us an arm and a leg and I have written them 2 times this week and no response
Doug_F has to be hard for them to forecast the send and receive volume with any accuracy
_Allen Karen and Doug, if they are out of bandwidth and aren't telling anyone don't you think a refund may be in order?
kdcan Well I say enough
wayner should be
kdcan Yes I think so, unfortunately I will probably have to charge back on my card to get it
wayner a refund
kdcan and I can not do that until we have the other one set up
Doug_F do so
kdcan So my goal will be to get us into the other one this week okay?
wayner right
kdcan Cool
Doug_F let's put out the effort to set it up speedy like
kdcan I am glad you agree Doug, because I have not been able to get up with you this week
wayner will do
Doug_F I have some time
kdcan Yes I agree
kdcan I have the whole weekend to devote to it
kdcan I will go ahead and purchase the first one tomorrow night
Doug_F This week has been nightmarish for me
wayner Karen I am off tomorrow. I can spend most of tomorrow on it
Doug_F but lookin better
Doug_F I'm off every day Wayne
Doug_F smile
kdcan Me too,Okay Wayne, Do you want to start transferring the letters for me?
wayner smile back
kdcan You could go ahead and set up a website
wayner Can do
kdcan Cool
kdcan I figure we can keep it really simple
Doug_F I can put the letters in html pretty dang fast
kdcan Use the main page and just do links to the files with the letters in them
kdcan I have a new html writer thanks to wayner
kdcan It works wonders
wayner yes
Doug_F kewl
Doug_F is ti a freebie?
kdcan I fixed all the transcripts on the meeting site with it
Doug_F it
kdcan They look great now
Doug_F nice
kdcan Well Wayne if you can start with that, then I will get the other autoresponder tomorrow night, Doug do you also want to get one, I can get you the URL
kdcan Wayne may have it handy too
kdcan We want each VIP to write their own personalization into the letters
Doug_F OK, I'll look into it
kdcan Well anyway I will do the first one tomorrow night and we can go from there
_EllenA good nite everyone!!
kdcan Okay guys I am exhausted
Doug_F nite Ellen
_Allen Good nite Ellen
RonS well everyone..have to eat supper so nite all
kdcan I have had a long long week
Doug_F take care of my Gracie
kdcan Nite Ron
_Allen Nite Ron
Doug_F Nite Ron
wayner nite Ron
_EllenA i always do doug;)
wayner nite Ellen
kdcan Love to ALL OF YOU!!
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_EllenA nite wayne;)
Doug_F Love you too
_EllenA i love you mom, LOL
kdcan Hopefully by next week we will be on our way to having a better follow up system
kdcan Love you tooo Ellen
Doug_F I love you too MOM
kdcan Hahahahaaa
kdcan Love you too Doug
Doug_F smooooch
wayner that sounds Great Karen
kdcan And wayne and Allen
_EllenA you go Doug!!! LOPL
kdcan Smooch Doug
Doug_F LOPL
kdcan And GREG
_EllenA ok nite for real, lol
_EllenA cxxant type, lol
Doug_F ROTFLMAO
_EllenA see???
kdcan Okay Allen I will talk with you soon and Wayne and Doug tomorrow night
Doug_F we see
kdcan Greg we will see you next week?
Doug_F ha ha
_EllenA im jammin at the same time, too much to process, lol
Doug_F me too Ellen
wayner overload
Doug_F great unes
kdcan Overload
kdcan heheheheheheeee
Doug_F Passionate Kisses
_Allen ok, great
kdcan OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH
kdcan Okay Allen, Nite all
_EllenA im listening to Blues Traveler
wayner yeeehaw
Doug_F martine McBride
wayner she's awesome!
wayner martina
Doug_F Plus One
_EllenA she is cool!
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